It was actually the Institute’s
environmental section that
eventually formed the Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA). There were a couple of
scientists there, Andy O’ Keefe
and Gordon Ortman working
on methods to calibrate ambient air analyzers that made
these little gadgets—
permeation tubes. They sealed liquid
SO and NO inside a piece of a
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Teflon tube. The vapor leaking
out through the Teflon® was
a stable, very low continuous
flow of the SO or NO . They
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measured the flow rate by peri-
odically weighing the tubes to
measure the rate of weight loss.
Using weight loss also gave a
handle for obtaining traceabil-
ity to NIST.
PN: You were involved with permeation tubes before Kin-Tek,
correct?
JJM: I started doing sampling
by permeation, back when I
was with Monsanto. We had
some streams that were just
horrible to deal with. And one
of the compounds they were
interested in measuring was
hydrogen. Then, I came across
a paper talking about the permeability of Teflon® and other
plastics, work that was done by
the British UKAEA (The United
Kingdom Atomic Energy
Authority).
PN: So that got you started?
JJM: Yes. I started to play around
with that concept and developed what turned out to be a
patented hydrogen analyzer
based on permeation. Then
I saw this article by O’Keefe
and Ortman about their work.
I didn’t think anything about
it for a couple of years or so
until I formed Kin-Tek. Originally, those two NIH scientists
were working primarily with
SO and NO . I had been deal-
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ing with analyzing industrial
compounds and I knew that
there were a number of them
that were needed at rather low
concentrations. In particular,
we had problems calibrating
for trace contaminants in ethylene. Some of those ethylene
contaminants could not be
contained as a liquid sealed
in a permeation tube, so right
away we began expanding
the horizons of the method by
developing a gas-only tube and
a method to measure the emission rate. And since then, I have
been working with gases and
permeation tubes.
PN: So gases and permeation
tubes grabbed your interest?
JJM: I had started Kin-Tek with the
intention of doing a number of
different things, but because of
the increasing applications, the
permeation business was just
about all I could handle. It turns
out that permeation tubes are
extremely adaptable to a really
wide range of compounds. And
we can do the development on
a new permeation tube at a one
hundredth or so of the cost to
develop a cylinder standard. If
you can transport the mixture
at all, that is if the compound
doesn’t immediately decompose or polymerize, then you
have a good chance of making
it work as a permeation tube.
You don’t have to deal with
interactions with the cylinder
walls and you don’t even need
to worry about slow reactions
in the mixture. You make it
and use it immediately before
it deteriorates.
PN: How have the demands
changed?
JJM: We started working at low
ppm and some fractions of
ppm; now a ppm is a moderate, easy concentration and
low ppb is common. Now we
are frequently at ppt, and we
actually have made a few parts
per quadrillion mixtures. The
trouble with dealing with con-
centrations this low is there is
no way of verifying it. There are
tricks you can play to verify your
basic numbers, but beyond a
certain level, you really can’t
measure it so you are totally
at the mercy of those quirky
non-linearities we stumble over
from time to time.
PN: Are there new applications
that will want that level of
detection, even if they can’t
have the verification?
JJM: That is happening. And in
fact, all of the homeland security problems have pushed
things in that direction. This is
because they really wanted to
detect extremely low levels so
they can react quickly, when,
for example, they want to find
where explosives devices are
being made, or detecting when
toxic gases are released into the
atmosphere. And incidentally,
one of the people working with
us has patented a computer
program that can combine the
detected signal levels from a
target substance, with data
from meteorological instrumentation and can pin-point
the source. In a dynamic situation that is quite a trick.
PN: Detection is one thing, but
locating the source is another.
JJM: That’s true. One test using that
technology was at a superfund
site where they were getting
anomalous levels of benzene.
They took this program and ran
it using data from the existing
in-situ monitoring system, and
found that the source was an
open gas can left by a landscaper about a quarter mile
away from the superfund site,
completely off the property.
PN: Are applications expanding
for permeation tubes?
JJM: Yes. They are used throughout every phase of industry
that we know of. Of course,
the petrochemical industry
applications have been there